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Sunday, May 08, 2016

Stammering Lips and an Unknown Tongue

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April 5, 2015

Last week, on Sunday night, I preached about the subject of tongues, and we looked up every single time the word “tongues” is used in the New Testament, but I didn’t quite get through it, and so I wanted to finish that tonight and go through what the bible teaches about this subject. Now, go to First Corinthians chapter 14. What we established last Sunday night was that from Genesis to Revelation, literally, the word “tongues” is always referring to languages, and specifically, it’s referring to human languages, what we would think of as foreign languages. Spanish, German, French, Chinese, whatever the language, that’s what the bible is referring to. When the bible talks about speaking with other tongues, it is simply referring to speaking in a foreign language, but there’s a whole movement that has sprung up that has to do with people speaking ecstatically or falling on the ground, talking in gibberish, and they say, “Oh, we’re speaking in tongues, and this is a great manifestation of the Holy Spirit because people are just bursting out with these utterances, and it’s a heavenly prayer language,” and people go into their closet and pray, and just all kinds of strange things come out, and they say, “Hey, we’re speaking in tongues.” I showed you from the bible last week, and I’m going to finish it tonight, that actually no, that’s not what the bible is talking about. If we look at the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in regard to speaking in other tongues, it started in Acts chapter 2, where we saw that the apostles and the early church members there, the men and the women, were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they were miraculously given the power to speak in foreign languages that they had not studied. The purpose of that miracle was that people who were devout Jews from all over the world, every nation under heaven and were gathered in Jerusalem, would be able to hear the gospel and hear the fact that Jesus Christ had just died, and been buried, and risen again. The Lord wanted that message to get out to the whole world, so when all those people were gathered in Jerusalem and they spoke a lot of foreign languages, got allowed, the early church members there, to be able to give those people the gospel in their own language. It was just a quick way to get the gospel out to a whole bunch of nations really fast in that early church in Acts chapter 2. When we jump forward to First Corinthians 14, God is not moving the goalpost now and talking about something completely different. No, “tongues” still means the same thing in First Corinthians 14 that it meant back in Acts chapter 2. In Acts chapter 2, he even listed the foreign languages that were being spoken. He even listed the foreign languages that were being spoken. He listed 17 different nationalities. In First Corinthians 14, we're dealing with the same thing, but I didn't get through the whole chapter in First Corinthians 14, so I want to pick up where we left off with this subject just to prove to you that First Corinthians 14 is not talking about a heavenly prayer language, is not talking about ecstatic utterances in church, people are falling on the ground, the Charismatic Movement, so-called. Look at verse number 21 of chapter 14, First Corinthians 14. The bible reads, “In the law, it is written, ‘With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that will they not hear me,’ saith the Lord. Wherefore, tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not, but prophesying serveth not for them to believe …” Goodnight. “Not for them which believe not, but for them which believe.” Okay? When it says the word “sign” here, it’s talking about a miracle. Okay? The bible is talking about how that miracle of tongues were they spoken foreign languages was for those that believe not, that they might be saved. It was the way to evangelize the lost. Okay? Then, he says on the other hand, prophesying, which is another word for preaching, serves for those that believe. Not for those that believe not because people that don’t believe, they don’t understand the preaching. That’s why it’s so misguided to have this thing of, “Well, we’re going to bring a whole bunch of unsaved people to church. Let’s get all the unsaved people we can and bring them to church, and that’s how we’re going to reach them.” No, the bible says, “Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in.” He says, “Go ye therefore and preach the gospel to every creature.” He says, “Have your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace.” Whenever the bible talks about going out, and getting people saved, and preaching the gospel, the emphasis is always on go and on your feet, and going out to them, not expecting them to come to you. Because people have gotten mixed up on this, the church has become worldly because if we’re going to gear the church toward unsaved people and say, “Yeah, let’s bring in all these unsaved people.” Even to the point where people will even have such a bizarre doctrine, they’ll say, “Let’s bring in a bunch of queers.” Why would we bring a bunch of pedophiles into our church? “Oh, we need to evangelize them.” Look, first of all, you evangelize by going out, and secondly, they’re reprobate anyway. Okay? That’s another sermon that shall be preached at another time. What we see here is that the preaching is something that benefits people that are saved. An unsaved person walks in, they may not get a lot out of the sermon because there are churches that just preach the gospel every service. Sunday morning, Saturday night, and Wednesday night, and you know what happens to the people that are already saved? They’re not being fed, and it's our job to teach the whole bible. Not just the gospel, but the entire bible. A saved person walks in, and they learn the rest of the bible because prophesying serves those that believe. Okay? God gave pastors and teachers to the church for the edifying of the saints, for the perfection of the saints, to build up the body of Christ. Those that are born-again baptized believers, that’s who we’re gearing our services toward. Okay. That’s what it means there when it says, “Prophesying serves not for those that believe not, but it serves for those that believe,” and he talked about tongues being a way whereby we would reach the lost with the gospel. Learning foreign languages to get the gospel to all nations. This is what missionaries do. This is what we do when we go soul winning, and we learn how to speak Spanish, for example. You go out and knock a bunch of doors, you’re going to run into a lot of doors in this area where they don’t speak English, and what do they speak? Spanish. If you learned Spanish, now you have the ability to use that foreign tongue to reach someone with the gospel and get them saved. That’s what the bible is teaching you. Now, whenever you’re studying a New Testament passage and it refers back to the Old Testament, if you go back and look up that quote, it will help you understand the New Testament passage. Now, look at verse 21 because some people are skeptical. You preach a sermon like I preached last Sunday night, and some people will say, “You know what? I still don’t think it’s a foreign language. I still think it’s a heavenly prayer language. I still …” But here’s even more proof. Look at verse 21. “In the law, it is written.” Now, if we go back and look up that quote, we can get even more insight on this passage. It says, “’With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that will they not hear me,’ saith the Lord. Wherefore …” Now, that word “wherefore” is a conjunction there connecting verse 21 to 22, “Wherefore, tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.” If we’re going to understand tongues being a sign to them that believe not, that verse 21 quote is going to help us see that. Go back if you would to Isaiah 28 because Isaiah 28 is the source of that quote. Let’s go back to Isaiah 28 because we’re talking about the sign of tongues in First Corinthians 14, and we’re trying to figure out, “Hey, is it a foreign language like it is everywhere else in the bible, or do the Charismatics have it right? It’s a heavenly prayer language. It’s talking in gibberish and ecstatic speaking.” Let’s see what the bible says back in the source of this quote. Let’s go to the source, Isaiah 28 verse 9. It says, “Whom shall he teach knowledge, and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts for precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.” Here’s the key verse. Look at verse 11. “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, ‘This is the rest wherewith ye may cause may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing, yet they would not hear.’” Okay. Now, I hope you still have your finger there in First Corinthians 14 because I want you to compare these two quotes. In First Corinthians 14:21, he said, “With men of other lips and other tongues will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that will they not hear me.” In Isaiah 28, he said in verse 11, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” At the end of verse 12, we have the other part of that quote, “Yet, they would not hear.” Now, what does he mean there in Isaiah 28? He is referring to the fact that eventually, the nation of Israel would have foreigners come to them and preach the word of God unto them. Now, that’s a little bit ironic when you think about it since Israel was supposed to be a light to the Gentiles. Israel was supposed to be the one that would evangelize the world with God’s word and show the world the goodness of the Lord and the wisdom of his loss. But because they failed to do that, he’s actually predict, “No, people are going to come evangelize you.” Now, that would be like if we in America, who have sent out more missionaries than any nation in the history of mankind. It’d be like if other foreign countries that were more godly than us started sending missionaries to the United States to try to reach us with the gospel of Jesus. We’d be like, “Whoa, wait. Now, you’re sending missionaries to us? We’re supposed to be sending you a missionary.” Like, “No, you need us more than we need you.” Okay? Now, look at Isaiah 28. It says in verse 16 because if we get the context, it says in verse 16, “Therefore, thus saith the Lord God, ‘Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation. He that believeth shall not make haste.’” Who is that cornerstone? That’s Jesus. All throughout the New Restatement, it says that Jesus is the cornerstone. He said, “The stone, which the builders rejected.” The builders being the high priests, the leaders of the Jews. He said, “The stone, which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner. This is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.” We see here that Jesus Christ, the cornerstone, is going to be set, and at that time, God’s going to end up sending foreigners to preach the gospel at Israel. Now, it makes perfect sense to us because Israel is one of the most heathen wicked countries in the world today. It’s not a place where God’s word is looked up. In fact, I just saw an article yesterday that said that they now have the most liberal abortion laws in the world in Israel. They now have some of the most liberal abortion laws in the entire world. It’s also become a sodomite capital over in Israel, and you can see the images of it with this all, the rainbow flags up and down the streets of Tel Aviv, and of course, it’s a very Christ-rejecting place. In the past, Palestine had a lot of Christians. A lot of the Arabs who lived in Palestine were actually Christians. Actually, will confess the name of Jesus Christ, but now, they’re being pushed out by the unbelieving, Christ-rejecting Jews that have come in since the ‘40s especially, and they’re pushing out that, which is Christian, so it’s a very heathen place. Yeah. It would make a lot of sense that they would need somebody to come and bring them the gospel of Jesus Christ because they clearly don’t have it over there. The vast majority of people over there are not saved. Getting the context of this passage, doesn’t this shed light on First Corinthians 14? When he says, “Look, you have been a disobedient nation, and I am going to speak unto these people of Israel with people …” Look at verse 11, “With stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to these people.” Then, of course, they’re not going to hear. Now, flip over to chapter 33 of Isaiah. What does he mean by “stammering lips and another tongue”? Is he saying, “Hey, I’m going to send somebody over there that has a speech impediment that stutters when they talk?” Let’s let the bible define itself here. In Isaiah 33 verse 18, we can get a little bit more of a light shed on this. It says, “Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? Where is the receiver? Where is he that counted the towers? Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive of a stammering tongue that thou canst not understand.” When he’s talking about enemy, foreign nations coming in and invading Israel, he says, “Those people have a tongue that is too deep or too complicated for you to understand, and it’s a stammering tongue. It’s a language that you don’t understand. That’s who would come in and invade.” Now, flip over to Ezekiel chapter 3. Ezekiel chapter number 3. You say, “Why does he call it the ‘stammering tongue’?” Here is why because if you don’t speak a language and you listen to that language, it sounds weird to you. It doesn’t make any sense. In fact, sometimes, it sounds like people are stuttering. You’re like, “What in the …?” Sometimes, it just like chops off in weird ways that doesn’t seem natural to your English-trained ear, so it can sound like a stammering. Some languages sound like people are clearing their throat. Hello. German, right? [Inaudible 00:14:39]. You’re like, “Whoa, what’s going on? Yeah. You need a Ricola, or what? No wonder these things were made in Switzerland because you speak in German, you do [inaudible 00:14:49].” Especially like when … You think they’re clearing their throat. Listen to Hebrew, and it’s like [inaudible 00:14:56]. “Whoa, man.” I’m just thinking. How could get up and speak in Hebrew for like an hour or two. Your throat is going to be ripped apart, but I guess if you do it your whole life, you just get used to it. You really get like a really strong throat from speaking that language, but it sounds like it could be a stammering or a stutter. I think there’s two different ways to interpret this when we see the stammering tongue associated with foreign languages. Number one is that it could be that when you hear a foreign language spoken, it sounds like stammering to you just because it doesn’t make any sense to you, so it sounds like they’re stammering or stuttering, or number two, another interpretation would be that someone who speaks a foreign language, and then tries to speak your language is going to stammer and stutter when they do it. Now, I know this. When I go out soul winning and speak Spanish, I've got a lot better at it, but in my early days of soul winning in Spanish, I did a lot of stammering and stuttering, right? If you go out there and you try to speak Spanish as a second language and something that you learned as an adult, you didn’t grow up with it, you're going to stammer and stutter. We hear people all the time from other countries speaking English to us and doing what? Stammering and stuttering because the opposite of that would be fluency. If you learned a foreign language, you get really good at it, fluency. You know what it means to be fluent? It means you’re flowing, right? It means you can smoothly flow as opposed to, “Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.” Basically, not flowing, but saying a few words and having to think, start over, stammer, stutter. Okay. Look at Ezekiel chapter 3, verse 4. It says, “And he said unto me, ‘Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them. For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of a hard language, but to the house of Israel. Not to many people of a strange speed and of a hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee, but the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee, for they will not hearken unto me, for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead. Fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.” Flip over to First Corinthians 14, and the reason that I showed you those passages in the Old Testament is just to show you that when God is quoting this in First Corinthians 14, he is clearly talking about foreign languages, isn’t he? Did a prayer language or anything like that come up in Isaiah 28, Isaiah 33, Ezekiel? No, because we're clearly talking about foreigners from other countries coming in as missionaries, foreigners from other countries coming in as invaders, and their tongue to you is a strange tongue. It's an unknown tongue. It’s a stammering tongue. Whichever way you interpret that stammering, either way it's somebody who speaks a foreign language. Now, let me prove it to you further as we continue through this passage in First Corinthians 14. Look at verse 23. It says in verse 23, “If therefore the whole church become together into one place and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?” Now, what does it mean to be mad? We’re not talking about anger here. When the bible used the word “mad”, it’s the British style mad of … Like my wife said to me when we were first married, “Are you mad?” You see, my wife used to speak with a British accent when we first got married, and “mad” to them means insane, crazy like a madman, you’re nuts. The bible says here that basically, if somebody came into the church and everybody is speaking in foreign languages … Because remember, that’s what we've been teaching that “tongues” is referring to foreign languages. If everybody is speaking in a bunch of different foreign languages, and somebody walks in and hears all this, it says, “They will say that you are crazy. They will say that you are nuts. They will say that you are mad.” That’s what it says there in verse 23. Here is what I want to point out though is that it says those that are … “There come in those,” halfway through the verse, “That are unlearned or unbelievers.” Now, let me ask you something. If this were some kind of a heavenly prayer language that was not of this earth, then explain to me why being unlearned would have anything to do with it? Can you go down to Barnes and Noble to the Foreign Language section and get the prayer language? It’s right, but you got Arabic, you got Chinese, and then, “Excuse me. I would like to get Rosetta Stone, Prayer Language. Rosetta Stone Language of Heaven, Angelic Language.” No, because if the bible is saying that people who are unlearned are the ones who are going to think you’re crazy, that proves that someone who is learned, someone who does have a mastery of foreign languages, they would walk in and not think that you are crazy. They would just think you’re speaking a bunch of foreign languages, and they would understand what languages you’re speaking. If this was only a spiritual situation, then being unlearned would be totally irrelevant, and this verse would not make any sense, but if we’re talking foreign languages, it makes perfect sense because a person who is very learned might speak several languages. In fact, the apostle Paul said, “I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all.” Why? Because the apostle Paul was a missionary. Not only was he a missionary, but if you remember, he was a scholar even before he got saved. He was brought up in the scholarly traditions of the Jews, in learning of the Jews, and the Jews’ religion at the feet of Gamaliel, and Gamaliel was a very respected, well-known teacher of the Jews at that time. In fact, he is one of the authors of the Talmud, and all the rabbis we talked to pointed out that Gamaliel from the New Testament is one of the authors of the Talmud. This guy, Gamaliel, was this educated scholar, and the apostle Paul was brought up being taught by him, so he grew up in a very educated way. If you remember, he speaks Greek very fluently unto the guard in the book of Acts, and he starts talking to him in Greek. Then, he gives a very eloquent speech in the Hebrew language, so he’s just basically speaking a whole of languages. Then, he’s travelling all throughout Asia, Greece, all these different places, and obviously, he is very adept at foreign languages through his study and through his travels. He’s a very learned man, so that’s why he spoke a lot of foreign languages. He’s not saying, “I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all like I’m just constantly just busting out with it in the prayer language.” That’s not what he said. He’s not bragging about spirituality there. He’s just talking about, “it’s great to speak foreign languages,” but he said, “In the church, I’d rather speak five words with my understanding.” He said, “Or five words that by my understanding, I might teach others also.” He said, “I’d want to speak five words that are in the language of the listener than to just get up and say a bunch of stuff in a foreign language and nobody would understand what I’m saying.” People were just like, “Wow, he’s smart. Listen to all those languages he’s speaking.” No, no one is being edified by that, so this all makes sense if you look at it as a foreign language. It stops making sense when you take this Charismatic interpretation. Let’s keep reading here. It says, “But if all prophesy,” verse 24, “And there come in one that believeth not or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all, and thus so the secrets of his heart made manifest, and so falling down on his face will he worship God and report that God is in you of the truth.” What’s he saying? If somebody walks in and a guy is preaching in a language that he understands, English in our case, he can sit there, and hear the word of God, and glorify God, and learn something, and maybe be impressed with what he hears. Whereas if comes in and hears a foreign language that he doesn’t understand, he’s just like, “Man, you guys are nuts. This is stupid. I’m going somewhere else.” Pretty easy to understand, isn’t it? Let’s keep reading. It says in verse 25, “And thus …” or verse 26. “How is it then, brethren? When ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done into edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two or at the most by three, and that by course, meaning one after the other, and let one interpret.” He’s saying one person speaks at a time in church, not a bunch of people talking at once. One person speaks at a time, and it should only be two or three people speaking total, and he says that basically, it should be done in a language that everyone understands, and that if someone does speak a foreign language that is not understood by the group, then another person needs to interpret. It says, “Let one interpret.” Okay? Then, he says in verse 28, “But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silent in the church, and let him speak to himself and to God.” Meaning, he can talk in his own heart to himself, to the Lord, but he doesn’t need to be publically speaking in the church if we can’t understand the language that’s coming out of his mouth. What’s the chapter about? He’s listing other problems in the church. It’s not just the fact that they were doing these foreign languages out of order, he said a lot of things are being done out of order. He’s saying everybody shows up, everybody’s got a doctrine, everybody’s got a psalm, everybody’s got an interpretation, everybody’s got to talk. Here’s what he’s saying, it’s a free-for-all. The church at Corinth is a free-for-all. It’s like an open mic where you just show up, and anybody gets up and preaches, and the bible even [teaches 00:24:49] that women were getting up and preaching because he says to them just a few verses later. In fact, let’s look at it while we’re here. It’s not in my notes, so let me turn there in the bible. If we go down in this exact chapter, it says in verse number 33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they’re commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” What you see here in Corinth is that church was a free-for-all where anybody just gets up and talks, and multiple people are talking at the same time. People are interrupting each other, people are speaking in various languages, and people are just, “Oh, hey, I got something to say,” and every unlearned, every unstable person is getting up and just has the floor. Even women are getting up, and teaching and preaching the word of God. He’s saying, “Look, let all things be done decently and in order. Pick two or three people that are going to do the preaching. Let them come up by course one after the other, and if one of them is not speaking the common language of the group, then somebody needs to stand up and interpret, and you need to do things to where everyone is being edified.” That means that when the church service starts all the way to when the church service ends, what’s happening needs to be edifying the whole group, not like, “Okay. Now, we’re entering a phase of the service that’s in Spanish.” Everybody else that doesn’t speak Spanish is like … while we go on some Spanish thing for 20 minutes [some 00:24:49]. No, that doesn’t make any sense. The whole point of being assembled together is that everybody is edified or, “Oh, let’s break it up and do a whole bunch of different groups, and everybody is getting a different preaching, and everybody is getting different teaching.” He says, “No, gather together. Let’s have one language. Let’s have one person talking at a time. Let’s have things organized and decently in order, and not just a bunch of confusion where somebody walks in and says, ‘Hey, this is like a three-ring circus.’ It should be that they walk in, and they know what’s going on. They can sit down, they understand the word that’s preached, and they can be convinced of all, judge of all, they can learn something, and grow, and be edified in the faith.” That’s what the chapter is actually about, and when you read it with that understanding, the chapter makes … Excuse me, perfect sense. Look, if you would, at verse 37. It says, “If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.” It’s just another verse emphasizing the fact that First Corinthians is the word of God. Not just the opinion of the apostle Paul, but that these epistles of Paul are God’s word that are inspired divinely. Then, it says in verse 38, “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” He’s saying, “Look, some people are just idiots, and there’s nothing you can do to fix that.” That’s the modern Steven Anderson paraphrase. Some people are stupid, they’re idiots, and nothing you can do can fix it. It’s like what he said … He says the same thing in Revelation, “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still. He that is filthy, let him be filthy.” Some people, they’re just filthy people, they’re wicked people. There’s nothing you can do for them. “Wherefore, brethren,” verse 39, “Covet to prophesy.” Meaning, desire to preach is what he’s saying there. “Covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.” Now, what does he mean there when he says, “Forbid not to speak with tongues?” The Charismaniacs will basically say … Oh, did I just say that? No, but they’ll basically say something like this, “You, Pastor Anderson, are forbidding to speak with tongues because you don’t encourage people to go [inaudible 00:28:41] and do all this crazy stuff of falling on the ground and [inaudible 00:28:46].” Look, when the bible says here, “Forbid not to speak with tongues,” he saying, “Look, I’m not telling you that it’s bad to use a foreign language. I’m just telling you that it needs to be done decently and in order. I’m just telling you that it needs to be done in a way that edifies the church where there’s an interpreter where someone is speaking.” Now, why would that be there where it says, “Forbid not to speak with tongues?” Because throughout history, there have been people who forbad the speaking of a language other than their own. For example, the Catholic church for many years held their services in Latin, which is a clear violation of this passage because they’re out there speaking, and the church is not being edified because it’s an unknown tongue. Not only that, the Catholic church also for many years forbad to speak with tongues. Meaning, forbad to speak the vulgar languages in God’s house. Not that the Catholic church was ever God’s house, but what they consider God’s house. Basically, they said, “Hey, it’s only allowed to speak Latin in the church. No English allowed. No Spanish allowed. No German allowed. Latin only,” and that’s not the language that people spoke, and so people are in darkness, and then not being edified. You say, “Well, why did that matter that they’re doing it in Latin if it’s false doctrine anyway?” Here’s the thing though. My wife was just mentioning today how she grew up as a kid in Germany, and she grew up Catholic for the first part of her life, and they didn’t go to church much for a while. I guess when she was really young, they went like three times a week, but for a long time, it was more like a Christmas and Easter type of thing where they would just rarely show up at the Catholic church, but she said that even at the Catholic church, even though the gospel is definitely not being preached and she’s not hearing the way of salvation, she would hear excerpts from the bible and things that would get her thinking. Just verses from the bible that would stick in her mind and just make her think, and at least she heard certain truths about Jesus that made her think, even though there’s a lot of error and lies mixed in. When you walk in and it's in a foreign language, there’s no chance of getting anything or learning anything from that. The Lord does work in mysterious ways. I've heard of people who talked about getting saved because they heard a bible quote in a Hollywood movie, and they heard a bible verse quoted in a Hollywood movie, and that verse just stuck with them, and they just kept thinking about it, kept thinking about it, kept thinking, and then eventually, somebody came along, gave them the gospel, won the Lord. Obviously, you need more than a bible verse in a move to get saved. You need more than a bible verse in a Catholic church to get saved. You actually need somebody to teach you the gospel [and the plan of salvation 00:31:43], but that seed though can be planted just by hearing the word of God, and the word of God is everywhere. Even on TV and radio, sometimes, every once in a while, a little truth will slip out there, even though it’s 99% garbage. I’m not saying to go looking for it in those wicked places. I’m just telling you that it’s there, so that people are without excuse because the word of God is out there. If people seek, they shall find. What we see here is that the Catholic church was forbidding people. Burning people at the stake literally for trying to bring God’s word into English or other of the common man’s languages. They wanted to keep it in a foreign tongue that cannot be understood, so they’re forbidding to speak with other tongues. That’s what … And also, you can apply that scripture in modern times a few different ways. Also, there are people out there amongst independent fundamental Baptists who will say things like, “Everybody just needs to learn how to speak English,” and they … I’ve literally talked to people who think that missionaries should go to foreign countries and teach people English, so that they can read a King James Bible. That’s not true because God desires people to hear God’s word in their own language, “In the tongue wherein they were born,” the bible says, so it’s not that everybody needs to read a King James. Everybody who speaks English needs to read a King James, but people in other countries, they need the word of God brought into their language. Many languages of the world have wonderful bible translations in their language where they can read the word of God accurately translated in their languages. Other languages, not so much, so what’s the answer? Bring it into those languages. Get the [truth 00:33:27]. Here’s the thing. There are some nations that used to have a great bible translation back in the 1500s, 1600s that has fallen off the face of the earth in the sense that it's no longer being printed. Yeah, it’s in a museum somewhere, but it's no longer in print, and the only one that's in print at the store is the new garbage version. What needs to happen there is that people need to go back and resurrect these translations from the 1500s, from the 1600s, and bring them into the modern vernacular if necessary. If not, then just start printing them, and bring them back to the true word of God, not the translations that have been very corrupted. When it says, “Forbid not to speak with tongues,” he’s saying there's not just one certain language that needs to be spoken. What he’s basically saying is, “I don’t care what language you speak. Who cares? All I care is that the people who are there at church understand what’s being preached, so whatever language you choose to preach in, if an interpreter is necessary, so be it, but everybody who’s gathered needs to understand what's coming across that pulpit.” If the preaching is in English and people are there that speak Spanish, then there needs to be a Spanish interpreter for them, or if there … If the preaching comes in, and it’s in Spanish, then there needs to be somebody to interpret for those who don’t speak Spanish because it needs to be decently and in order for the edifying of the church. Another modern application of this would be this idea that people have where they think that in order to get the true word of God, you have to go to Greek and Hebrew. It’s the only way to get the true word. Whereas we strongly believe that God’s word can be translated into any language, and there’s this fallacy out there that says, “You always lose something in the translation.” Who’s heard that before? “You always lose something in the translation.” Let me tell you something. I am someone who knows several foreign languages, and I do not believe that statement for one second, and a lot of the people who will say that speak one language, and they’ll sit there, “Well, you always lose something in the translation, right? Everybody knows you lose something translate …” But then you talk to a lot of people who speak multiple languages, they’ll say, “No, you can get the same points across.” Listen, human beings are human beings, and sometimes, you look at people of other cultures and other nationalities, and just think like, “Oh, man. These people are just way out there. They think completely different than we think, and they’re just nothing like us.” The more that you travel the world, and talk to people, and study foreign languages, you know what you’ll find is that people are people. There's nothing new under the sun, and people are pretty much people no matter what nationality they are. Even languages that just seem really bizarre, once you learn them and they start making sense to you, you’ll figure out that you can express anything that you need to express in that language, and there’s a way to do it. This thing of, “You always lose something in the translation,” is false. I don’t believe in it, and I can speak from experience of somebody who speaks multiple languages on a weekly basis. I speak German at home with my wife. I speak Spanish out in soul winning, so I speak different languages, and they’re … You don’t always say things exactly the same way, but you word it in a way that gets the same exact point across, and it’s possible to do that, but people will say, “No, no. You have to go back, [neighbor 00:36:51].” Hold on. God is the one who even divided the languages in the first place at the Tower of Babel. Before that, the whole world was of one speech and one language. God divided the languages at the Tower of Babel, and it’s his desire that we all speak different languages, not that we all speak the same language. If he wanted us all to speak the same language, he wouldn’t have divided them in the first place, but it’s his desire that we be separated by a language barrier into various nations, and so God has allowed his word to go forth in all languages. If you always lose something in the translation, let me ask you this. Then, why at the day of Pentecost were people able to speak as they were moved by the Holy Ghost? They spoke the word of God in all languages. Now, let me ask you this. When the Holy Ghost is doing the translating, do you lose something? If the spirit of the Lord is coming upon somebody in Acts 2, and they're speaking Arabic, are you going to tell me that what they were getting was something less than the original? Of course, not, and not only that, but Jesus and his disciples, what language are they speaking? When we read it in the New Testament, it was in Greek, whereas the Old Testament is in Hebrew, so do we lose something in the New Testament y by doing it in Greek? Absolutely not, and so this is just something that you hear repeated over and over again, but that doesn't make it true. Let me just encourage you with the fact that the bible that you hold in your hand, the King James Bible, is exactly what God said. “Ah, but he didn’t say it in English.” So what? Who cares? Quit being hung up on that. “Ah, God doesn’t speak English.” Wait, so I guess when we get the interpreter … When we get to have him, we’re going to need an interpreter because God doesn’t speak English. I guess we're going to walk up to God and say something to the Lord, and he is just going to be like … Do you really think you're going to get to heaven and God is not going to speak English? Listen. If you’re Spanish and you get to heaven, God is going to say, “Well done, amigo.” He’s not going to sit there and say it in English to you if you don’t speak English because guess what? God can speak all languages. To sit there and say, “Well, God doesn’t speak English,” that’s stupid because God speaks all languages. You say, “Well, why did he give us the Old Testament in Hebrew?” “Because Israel was the chosen nation in the Old Testament.” “So why did he give us the New Testament in Greek?” “Because Israel was no longer the chosen nation.” He gave it in Greek because Greek was the language that most people in the world spoke as a second language. Even though they had their own local language, Greek was the big language that most people spoke as a second language. Let me just explain something to you. Today, English is the most important language in the world, period. I’m not just saying that because I speak English. Look it up. Even though English does not have the most native speakers, there are more speaking English today than any other language in the world because of the fact that there are more people … Listen to me now. There are more people in this world who speak English as a second language than speak it as a first language. Did you know that? Because native speakers of the English language, 400 and some million, but you know how many people speak English? Way more than a billion people speak English. Why? Because there are more people speaking English as a second language than as a first language because all over the world, virtually every country in the world, people are speaking English as a second language. It is the lingua franca of the world. Now, isn't it wonderful that God has delivered this amazing English translation of the bible 400 years ago that can literally be understood by people in every country of the world? Now, I’m not saying all people can understand it, but I’m telling you that there are well over a billion people that can understand this book, and it is the most important language in the world. Say, “How about Chinese?” All right. Here’s the thing, more people speak English than speak Chinese if you include second language, number one, and number two, Chinese is not the most important language in regard to the gospel because China is a place where … There are not a whole lot of bible-believing churches that are sending missionaries all over the world to preach the gospel. They’re under a wicked communist government, and they are also isolated somewhat from the outside world. For example, YouTube is blocked in China. You can put up all kinds of preaching in Chinese and stuff. It’s not necessarily going to reach into mainland China because there’s an iron curtain somewhat that keeps out some of the outside world. What I’m saying is that I don’t think anybody could dispute the fact that more English-speaking missionaries are going out and preaching the gospel than any other type of missionary in the world, and that this book, the English King James Bible has been printed, and sold, and distributed more than any book in the history of mankind in English. Okay? This is the bible that has been translated into all these hundreds of African languages directly from the King James by people who didn't even understand Greek and Hebrew. Now, yeah, in a perfect world, translations are done by 54 people who are scholars in Greek, and Hebrew, and all the related languages, but you know what? If all you’ve got is a missionary come into your tribe translating this English KJV into your click language or whatever stammering tongue, you know what? That’s great. That's a great way to get the gospel. If the King James is translated by some zealous English-speaking missionary who's coming into some foreign country and bring in the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ, great. This is the most influential book in the world, and it's written in the most influential language in the world. To just discount the English KJV, and just sit there and say, “Oh, well. Well, why is English so special?” “Hmm, I don’t know. Maybe because it’s the biggest language in the world. Maybe because there are more people preaching the gospel in English than any other language in the world.” “Welly, why? How do we know the word isn’t preserved in this language or preserved in that language, or maybe he chose Swahili, or maybe he chose to preserve it in French, or maybe chose to preserve it in German, or maybe chose to preserve …?” No, he chose to preserve it … First of all, his ideal would be that it’d be in all languages, that we would translate it in all languages, but it all makes sense that God’s divine hand of providence made specially sure that it got into the one big, super important language in perfect form. Think about it. If he’s going to give the word in Hebrew in the Old Testament, if he’s going to give it in Greek in the New Testament, in our modern day, what’s the bet? What’s the main language where we need the word more than any other language? It needs to be in English more than any language. That’s who’s evangelizing the world more than anybody else, and so here we have it, the King James Bible. Thank God for his provision in this important language, so that’s another application of this. Let me just close with this thought because I said we were going to go to Revelation 7 because I said we were going to look at every time “tongues” was used between last Sunday night sermon and this Sunday night sermon. We’re left with a few mentions of the word “tongues” in Revelation. That’s all we’ve got left is just Revelation. We looked at every time it was mentioned the New Testament, and the bible’s teaching was consistent from start to finish, but look at Revelation 7:9. This has to do with “The Rapture” as it's commonly known or when the believers are basically brought up to heaven. Okay? At the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. It says in Revelation 7:9, “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number,” and I want to point out that it says, “Of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne and before the lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.” Now, first of all, it’s a blessing to know that when that trumpet sounds, and the dead in Christ rise first, and then we, which are alive and remain, are caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, it's a blessing to know that all languages will be represented in that group, that people will be saved from all nations. Flip over to chapter 10, verse 11. This is John being spoken to by the angel, the apostle John. It says this inverse 11, “And he said unto me, ‘Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.’” What is being said unto John here? That his ministry is not through. He’s stuck on Patmos, but God is telling him, “You're going to preach again, and you're going to preach before many nations. You’re going to preach before many peoples, tongues, kings. You're going to speak to a whole bunch of different people of different languages and nations.” Look at that chapter 11. You don’t have to turn to all of this because some of these aren’t really relevant to what we’re talking about, but the bible says … If you would just flip to chapter 17, that’s the last one. In chapter 11, verse 9, it just says, “They of the people, and kindreds, and tongues, and nations shall see their dead bodies,” and so forth. It’s just using “tongues” in a list there when he wants to say the whole world. He say, “All nations, all tongues, all kindreds.” One of the things that this proves is that when the end times events take place that people will still speak foreign languages. The world will not have gone over to one language. That's never going to happen. In Revelation 13:7, it talks about the anti-Christ, going to be given power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations. In chapter 16, verse 10, it talks of being gnawing on their tongues for pain. That’s just the physical appendage in their mouth, by the way. Then, in 17:15, it says, “He saith unto me, ‘The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.’” Let’s close on this thought, Mathew chapter 28, Matthew 28. The idea of preaching the gospel to all nations. Now, while you’re turning to Matthew 28, let me read for you from Matthew 24:14 where the bible reads, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.” It’s important to note that all those verses in Revelation taught us that when we say “all nations”, what’s another thing that we mean by that? All tongues. When you say “all nations,” you’re saying “all tongues.” Why? Because when God divided the nations in Genesis 11, he didn’t do it along the lines of skin color. He divided the nations along the lines of the language. He confounded their languages and divided the nations based on language, and so when the bible says, “Teach all nations,” he's actually saying, “Teach all language groups,” if we go back to that Genesis 10 and 11 definition. He says in Mark 13:10, “The gospel must first be published among all nations.” In Luke 24:47, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his nation or his name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem,” but he said, “Preach them among all nations.” Romans 1:15, “By whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for his name.” That’s what make Christianity unique. It’s a religion that’s believed on in all nations. It’s not … You think of Hinduism. What nation pretty much believes in Hinduism? Pretty much India. Yeah, there are going to be different pockets of it, but you know and I know that by and large, it’s only people in India who believe in … I guess they think the whole rest of the world doesn’t have a clue about what Shiva, the Destroyer or all the other millions of Gods that they worship. Then, you think of languages like Buddhism. They're very ethnically-based. You're either Asian … If you’re Buddhist, you’re either Asian or you’re like a Hollywood rock and roll person who just thinks it’s trendy and cool to be Buddhist. Okay, or if you have Shintoism, you’re Japanese. Judaism is, obviously, associated with a certain people who think that they’re a certain nationality. Then, you think of other religions of the world that are basically compartmentalized, right? These religions. Islam is associated mainly, primarily with certain nationalities that are real big on Islam. Okay? Whether that’d be, obviously, the Arabs, the Persians, Indonesia, places like that. Whereas Christianity is the one where you can’t really associate it with a certain group, could you? Could you really say, “Well, Christianity, that’s the white man’s religion, or that’s the European …?” No, because there have been times throughout history when Christianity was huge amongst very different populations of people. Even today, there are all kinds of people of all kinds, different nationalities that are Christian. It's something that's in all nations, all tongues. If you just use logic to think about the fact that God, if he's the God of the whole earth, is not just going to manifest himself to one group of people, but that rather, he would manifest himself to all nations. That’s why bible says in Romans 16:26, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.” Made known to all nations, and that’s why I love the verse in Galatians 3:8 when the bible says, “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, ‘In thee, shall all nations be blessed.’” The gospel was preached to Abraham, and he said, “In thee, shall all nations be blessed.” Now, who is that blessing through? Jesus. I even heard some zealous Zionist try to say that, “Well, in thee, shall all nations be blessed. That’s because any nation that allies themselves with the state of Israel is going to get that blessing, and all …” “Oh, yeah, that’s the gospel, the gospel of Israel, the gospel of Zionism.” No. When the bible says, “In thee, shall all nations be blessed,” you know where that blessing come from? Jesus because Jesus came through Abraham, and he’s a blessing to all nations. Anyone who believes on Christ is blessed with faithful Abraham, so he said, “In thee, shall all nations be blessed.” Is Christianity the white man’s religion, the European religion, Anglo-Saxon religion, Germanic religion? No. Christianity is the religion of every true believer in the true God on this planet, and it has nothing to do with nationality, or language, or religion, or race. Nobody is a second class citizen in God's kingdom because of their nationality. “Oh, you don't speak English? You don't read the King James? Well, you’re a second-class.” That’s not true. “Oh, you’re a Gentile? You’re second class.” Wrong. False. No. It’s all nations standing on an equal footing because the bible says that God's house be called “The house of prayer for all nations,” and all nations are blessed with faithful Abraham. Look down at your bible or Matthew 28. What’s the application? What do we do? It says in verse 18, “Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ‘All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.’” What does God wants us to do with tongues? What is the point of a sermon on tongues? First of all, so that we would not be deceived by the Benny Hand’s and Kenneth Copeland’s of the world, and all the false Charismatic doctrine. That’s the number one purpose of this sermon, but number two is that we would actually get the real meaning of “tongues.” We don’t want to just say, “Oh, we proved tongues false,” and then we just have this void. No. We want to get the true teaching on tongues. What’s the true teaching? Use tongues to get the gospel to the entire world. That’s the true teaching. The true teaching is learn Spanish, so you can give the gospel to people that speak Spanish in Phoenix, Arizona. That is the true interpretation, and we need to get the gospel to all nations. One of the biggest ways that we could do that is just by knocking every door in Phoenix, Arizona because if we knocked every door in Phoenix, Arizona, we will hit up every nation group virtually because we live in a city with four million people and United States is a melting pot, people from all over, but then, there will also be some who will go to foreign lands as missionaries. There will be some who leave the United States, and go to a foreign country, and learn some foreign language, and stammer and stutter, and get people saved, and bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to that foreign country. That is the calling of some people, to go out and preach the gospel in a foreign nation, in a foreign language. Sometimes, that happens to people through a lot of different means. Through marrying somebody from that place, you end up going there. That’s like myself. I married a woman who is German, half German, half Hungarian. Then, I’m going to learn those languages. I’m going to end up going to those places, and talking to those people, and winning people to Christ, God winning in those corners of the world. I’ve known a lot of other people who found themselves in different countries that they wouldn't have planned on going to and God using that to bring the gospel and to bring salvation. You know what? There are people in our church. Let me ask you this. Who in our church speaks a language other than English fluently? Put up your hand. Look around. There are a lot of people in this church that could actually reach people of your native language, both in Phoenix and in other parts of the world. Whatever the case may be, whether that language is Spanish as some people, but who speaks a foreign language other than Spanish fluently? Put up your hand if it’s not Spanish. Yeah. See, there’s still several people. We got Korean. We got African language. We got Asian language. We got a lot of different things represented in this church, and so God, help us to reach all nations with the gospel. That ought to be our prayer. That ought to be our mission. That ought to be our motto, but let’s start here at Jerusalem. Okay? Then, let’s go to all nations and reach as many people as we can. Let’s bow our heads and have word of prayer. Father, we thank you so much for this clear teaching in your word, Lord. There have been many who’ve muddied the waters for many years. In fact, sometimes, even bible-believing independent Baptists will sometimes just maybe shy away from passages like First Corinthians 14 just because they’re so sick of this weird Charismatic doctrine. They know that’s not right, but Lord, help us to embrace the teachings of First Corinthians 14 now that we have a true interpretation from your word, comparing scripture with scripture, and help us to understand that English is a great language. It’s the most important language in the world, but it’s not the only language in the world, and so Lord, help those who speak foreign languages to use those languages to evangelize. In Jesus’ name, we pray. Amen.

 

 

Wednesday, April 20, 2016

Dave Ramsey Exposed

Video

April 13, 2014

First Timothy chapter number six, there, the part of the chapter that I want to focus on is beginning in verse number five. The Bible reads, "Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth supposing that gain is godliness from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out."

"Having food and raiment, let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil, which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."

This warning in 1 Timothy chapter 6 is about covetousness and the love of money, and about a teaching that says that gain is godliness. Meaning that the more money we have, the better we are doing financially. That somehow shows that we have godliness in our lives.

It also warns us about those who desire to be rich, because the Bible says in verse 9 there, "But they that will be rich, meaning that they want to be rich, fall." Let those words sink down into your ears. They that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

For the love of money is the root of all evil. What does it mean when the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil? It means it starts with the love of money, that leads you into other lusts. It leads you into many hurtful lusts. But love of money is the root, then you get all these other lusts in your life, then you start coveting everything else and covetousness takes hold.

Let me say this, covetousness is a major sin according to the Bible. When you desire riches that you don't have, desire a house you don't have, desire a car you don't have, desire the wife that you don't have, that is one of the 10 commandments.

Not only that, it's one of the short list in 1 Corinthians 5, where God says, "You don't want to be around any Christian who is guilty of these sins, drunkenness, covetousness, fornication." It's listed as something that is very infectious to the people around you. It's something that we should flee from.

Notice the verse there in verse 11, "But thou, O man of God, flee these things." He also tells us to flee fornication. He tells us to flee youthful lusts. Flee the love of money. Flee covetousness. Why? Because it's dangerous, because it's infectious, because it creeps in, materialism, covetousness, laying up treasures for ourselves upon this earth.

These are dangerous doctrines that can harm a church, that can harm our individual lives, and turn us into something that God is not pleased with, and turn us into a bad person, something that we need to be aware of.

I want to preach today against a particular person, a particular teacher. I don't know if you'd really call him a preacher. He's kind of like a preacher. He is a teacher that teaches the Bible. This man, although he's a secular radio host, he has now started to creep his way into a lot of churches and even independent fundamental Baptist churches.

Just in the last two weeks, I've heard about an independent fundamental Baptist church here in Arizona, one in Colorado, one in California where they bring in this man's teachings. It takes the place of a Sunday school class or it takes the place of a preaching service, and it's brought in as a DVD.

They're learning financial principles from Dave Ramsey. It's being brought into independent fundamental Baptist churches. Really, he's going into all denominations, because he doesn't care as long as the money is green.

He gets it into all denominations. He speaks in all types of churches. This man, although he does have some good things to teach, is teaching a lot of lies and false doctrine. Worst of all, he instills a spirit of loving money, desiring riches and wanting to become wealthy. That is not biblical. This man is someone that you need to be warned about, Dave Ramsey. Who's heard of Dave Ramsey?

The reason that I'm warning you about this guy is because of the fact that he teaches things that are lies. He misuses scripture. He uses false versions of scripture, and yet he's being brought in a teacher to independent fundamental Baptist churches. Never will we bring in such a person.

Let me just explain to you what's wrong with Dave Ramsey. First of all, let me say this, of course there are some things that he teaches that are good and right. He teaches you how to budget your money. He teaches you not to spend more money than you have, and how you really don't actually need some of the things you think you need like TVs and fancy cars.

He tells you, you don't need that stuff. Be smart with your money. OK, those are all sound principles. He teaches you to eliminate debt from your life. Paying off credit card debt or student loans or bills, those are good things. He teaches you a method of budgeting where you use a cash envelope system.

Let me just explain this to you. These teachings are not unique with Dave Ramsey. These teachings have been around. I have a book in my office that I just pulled off the shelf before the service, and it was copyright 1968 when Dave Ramsey's mama was still wiping his nose.

That book teaches budgeting, and teaches cash envelope system, and teaches a lot of these things. They're not unique with Dave Ramsey. You can learn these things a lot of different places. I learned them in school. It's not really that complicated. In fact, maybe I'll even explain it to you later in the sermon if I have time.

There's a lot of poison mixed in with these teachings. You have some good teachings of just common sense, budgeting, and paying off your debts, and spending money you don't have, and just a practical way of putting cash in envelopes and everything. That's all great. I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying that's wrong.

Wait a minute, when you're teaching people to desire to be a millionaire, the goal is to be a millionaire. The goal is to amass wealth, and when the final step of his program is to become in his words "become very wealthy" that's the final step. That's the goal. That's the end game. You get on Dave Ramsey's program and your goal is to become very wealthy.

Let me tell you something. That's not my goal. In fact, when I'm done preaching this sermon I'm going to go home and get on my knees and pray to God that I am never a millionaire, and pray to God that I will never be rich.

Go to Proverbs chapter 30. You say, "Why wouldn't you want to millionaire? Why wouldn't you want to be rich?" Let's see if my prayer is biblical, because I told you what I'm going to pray when I get home, right? I'm going to get on my knees, and I'm going to pray to God that I will never be rich and that I will never be a millionaire. Is that a biblical prayer?

Let's go to the word of God and find out. Remember what happens to people who want to be rich? They fall. What is Dave Ramsey setting up people to do when he says, "Here's your step program, and the final step is become very wealthy." It's called the seven steps, the seven baby steps. The seventh step is build wealth and give. He said, "Become very wealthy." Become very wealthy, and then you can do all kinds of fun things like give money, you want to do all these things.

The goal is first to get yourself really wealthy, and then you're going to be generous. He has 55 million dollars. That's his level of wealth, Dave Ramsey. He has 55 million dollars, but he can do really fun stuff like he said. He can go to Waffle House and leave a $200 tip. You can give.

That's just being a big shot. That's not really a goal in life to just, "I'm going to become a millionaire so I just walk into Waffle House and be the man." First of all, I don't even eat at Waffle House because the food is there is garbage, number one. If you're a millionaire, what are you doing at Waffle House?

See how this stuff is just isn't adding up? Anyway, I'm just kidding. Let's see if my prayer is biblical here. Look at Proverbs 30:8. "Remove far from me vanity and lies." This is a prayer to God. "Give me neither poverty nor riches."

Is this not a biblical prayer not to be rich? Show me the prayer in the Bible that says make me rich, God. Show me the prayer in the Bible that says make a millionaire, God. I'm showing you the prayer that says, "God, do not give me riches."

He said, "Give me neither poverty nor riches. Feed me with food convenient for me. Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain."

In fact, wasn’t Solomon rewarded for not praying for riches? Isn't here a great example prayer that we could pray saying, "God, I don't want to be poor. Who here just wants to be dirt poor? I don't want to be rich either.

I just want to live a modest life. I just want to take care of my family. I just want to feed my children, and feed myself, and feed my wife, and live an honesty and peaceable and godly life and not to lay up treasures on this earth but to lay up treasures in heaven.

That's not enough reason to be against this program. You know what? If it's the root of all evil, it is something that is pretty dangerous when it's being taught.

First of all, the big colossal problem with this program, why it should never be brought into an independent fundamental Baptist church is that it uses all manner of Bible verses. These churches are often King James only, but then they put on a DVD of Dave Ramsey for an hour instead of a church service, and they're getting exposed to all manner of versions. The people that are coming to church, you know what you're sending them a message, that it's not that bad to use these other versions.

Here are some versions that are in his DVD series, the ESV, the NIV, the new King James, the message, the new living translation, and the new revised standard version. Those are just the ones that I know are in there. There could be more.

Here's why so many versions are being used, because he's one of these guys, he's one of these teachers that cherry picks which version they're going to use. You almost have more respect for a guy who just gets the ESV and just uses it. Obviously, the ESV is a false Bible, but at least he just says, "This is what I preach, the ESV," or "We're going to use the NIV. That's what we use here."

What these guys do they have no Bible that is their authority. They literally cherry pick whatever they want the verse to say for that particular point they'll take from that version, so that literally in one sermon they'll go to five versions in one sermon. Why? Because the ESV has the point they need for this point, but then over here the new King James spells it out the way they want it.

Over here, the RSV is better. We really want to go crazy on this point, we're going to go living Bible. We're going to go with the message. We're going to go with the voice, because if you have enough versions you can find one to say what you want it to say.

Then, pretty soon you're just preaching all kinds of man's philosophy and just propping it up with just a cherry picking of all different versions just to find the one that suits your point and your purposes and your agenda. That's the kind of teacher Dave Ramsey is. He doesn't stick with one version. He's using the message, revised standard, NIV, just whatever suits his point.

When you bring that into the church, you know what you're saying? We're King James only, but it isn't a big deal. I thought it was a big deal when God said He's going to put single curse in the Bible on you if you add to His word.

He's going to remove your part out of the book of life and out of the holy city when you take away from His word. That's sounds like a pretty big deal, and we're down playing it when we sit there and bring in all these false versions and have them coming on the screen in the house of the Lord.

Why don't we just say we're King James only and we don't bring in teachings, or preachings, or books, or literature into our church that use other versions period? End of story. No exceptions. You put up a calendar in my office that has a picture of nature and a verse from the NIV, I'll tear it down and throw it in the trash.

I don't want to send a message to anyone that I think that's OK to use these versions that corrupt that God's word. If you don't think they corrupt God's word go grab a DVD on your way out the door, New World Order Bible versions. This message has been brought to you in part by New World Order Bible versions.

Number two, there are other just other, just wrong philosophies that are taught in this video. For example, he makes a big point, a big deal about the fact that the woman in the relationship needs to have equal say in the finances. He says, "Look, you can't just lead men and just make the decisions. The woman has to have equal say in the finances."

I'll say this, I don't think it's wrong for a woman to run the finances in the home if she's better at it, and the man doesn't know what he's doing, but only if that authority is delegated from the husband. Only if at the end of the day, the husband's in charge and he delegates that to her and says, "You run the finances," but he still calls the shots.

Even then, I don't necessarily recommend that, but it does work well for some people. I'm not advocating a one size fits all here, but I am advocating that the husband is always in charge in the home. He is the head of household. Wives are supposed to be in submission to their husband and obedient to their husband.

Is that what Dave Ramsey's teaching? Does he teach wives obey your husbands? Does he teach be to submission to him, be subject unto him? No, he says the woman the equal say in the finances. That is false doctrine.

How dare you. It's what the Bible says. I don't have time to go into all the verses right now. You've seen them all. Wives be obedient to your husbands in everything, Ephesians 5. Again, like I said, if the wife just does the sharpening of the pencils and plans the finances and does the budgeting, that's fine as long it's under the authority of her husband, and as long as at the end of day he calls the shots.

To say, "You can't just make the decision. She has equal decision," that's not from the Bible. You can't show me that in the Bible. That's a worldly philosophy. That alone is enough reason why I wouldn't bring it into the church, because I wouldn't want to mess up somebody's marriage by bringing that in, and cause conflict in a marriage where the wife's like, "Dave Ramsey said …" That could cause problems in the marriage.

Let's just look at Dave Ramsey's program. Let me just give it to you in a nutshell. He says it's a seven-step program. Let me just give you these steps. Again, there's a mixture of truth and error. You know what happens when you mix truth with a lot of error? It's just all error.

Number one, step one of the Dave Ramsey program is save up $1,000 for an emergency fund. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that. I don't think there's anything wrong with having $1,000 for a rainy day. That's fine. The Bible even says something similar to that. I found this in Ecclesiastes 11:2, "Give a portion to seven, and also to eight, for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth."

OK, I get that. Then, if you actually get the context of the verse by backing up one verse to Ecclesiastes 11:1, it says, "Cast thy bread upon the waters, for thou shalt find it after many days." It's talking about if you give, it shall be given unto you. I don't really have a problem with point one of the program. Save $1,000 for a rainy day. Great.

Step two is pay off your debts. Pay off all your debts except your house. He uses a method called the debt snowball method where he says start with the smallest debt first. That way you get some instant gratification, get that low hanging fruit. Let's say you have a whole bunch of credit cards and you got all kinds of loans and debts out there. He says start with the one where you owe $500 or $300, and get that small one out of the way first.

Pay minimum payments on everything else regardless of interest rate. Then once you off that little one, then you can take the money you were sending to that and put it towards the next one. Then pretty soon, you're sending more and more.

Once you pay off that bill that $100 minimum payment and you were already sending $50 over here, now you have $150, and pay off the one that had a $200 payment, now you have $350. Pretty soon, you're really hitting a lot of debt elimination, but you start with the small stuff and pay off your debts.

Look, that's good advice because being in debt and having all this interest that you're paying to all these credit cards and lenders, obviously that makes perfect sense.

Step three, he says build up three to six months of expenses for an emergency fund. He says once you've paid off your debts, he says, lay up three to six months of expenses for an emergency fund. I guess what he's saying is basically if you make $40,000 a year you're going to lay up $10,000 to $20,000. If you make $60,000 a year you're going to lay up $15,000 to $30,000. If you make $80,000 you're going to lay up $20,000 to $40,000. I'm going to come back to that point.

Point four, so after you do that he says invest 15% of your income toward retirement. After you have paid off your debts. You got your $1,000 in the bank. You pay off your debts. Then you put $10,000, $20,000 in the bank, $30,000, whatever. Then you start investing 15% of your income toward retirement.

Just do the math. If you make $40,000, you're putting, what, about $7,000 away every year towards your retirement. You're making $40,000, $7,000 of it's going to retirement, whatever.

Then he says, number five, save for your kid's college education. Here's a quote from the series, brainwash them to go to college. Drill it into them how important it is that they go to college. Brainwash them to go to college. Again, I kind of covered that in this morning's sermon.

Then, number six, he says pay off your house early. Once you've sat there and you've laid up twenty some grand in the bank or whatever. You've paid off all your debts. You've put 15% towards retirement. You're saving up for your kid's college education. Then you pay off your house, and then you build wealth and give. He says become very wealthy, and he gets up and yells and preaches. He says, "I am going to make you a millionaire. I saw it myself."

He said, "I'm a millionaire, and I'm going to make you a millionaire. This will make you a millionaire. You're going to be a millionaire. It's going to be great. It's going to be fun. It's going to be awesome. God wants you to be a millionaire, and so forth."

Then, number seven, the final point, build wealth and give. Basically, once you've sat there and just laid up this insane safety net to where you're 15% is in retirement, twenty grand in the bank, everything paid off, money saved up for college, money saved up for retirement, now that all my financial ducks are totally in a row, now let's be generous and give. Lay up this huge amount for myself, and then start giving. That's what he teaches.

There are some other quotes that I saw from this. I want to show you how he twists scripture and takes scripture out of context. You might be listening that and think that sounds pretty good. That's not bad. Let me show you what the Bible actually says, and you're going to see how contrary it is to this teaching.

First of all, not only does he use false versions of the Bible, but he also just takes scripture grossly out of context and just twists its meaning. Go to Proverbs chapter six. Let me show you some examples of how he twists scripture to make it seem like his program is a biblical program.

I'm all for budgeting. I'm all for debt elimination. I'm all for his snowball method. I'm all for the cash envelope system of budgeting if that's what works for you. A lot of these things are not necessarily taught in scripture. They're just techniques. Think about it, there's a lot of wisdom out there in this world that's not really taught in scripture. For example, gardening tips, if you live in Arizona. Let me show you in scripture.

Here's the thing, what are we doing in church? We're supposed to be learning God's word, supposed to be learning the Bible, not just man's financial philosophies, and man's financial methods. Sure, that's great stuff for your parents to teach you.

That's great stuff for you to go to somebody who is smart with their money and get advice, or ask somebody for help in that area, but to sit there and just teach all this stuff from the pulpit and sit there and take 13 weeks of church time and play this DVD of this stuff, and then what they do to make it seem spiritual, they just insert a lot of Bible verses from a lot of different versions to make it all seem more biblical. These verses are being grossly taken out of context.

For example, I heard Dave Ramsey speaking and he said this, and this is an exact quote, "Being broke is normal. Be a peculiar people." Being broke is normal. Be a peculiar people. Hold on a second. Is that what the Bible is teaching when he said be a peculiar people? Be wealthy. Most people are poor. Most people are broke. God wants us to be a peculiar people. Therefore, we need to be wealthy. That's an exact quote. Being broke is normal. Be a peculiar people.

Actually, if you actually look up that verse, it says that God wants to purify unto Himself a peculiar people zealous of good works. When God says peculiar people, He's saying because you're zealous of good works and because you're pure from the sins of this world.

Not just be peculiar, just by being different any possible way you could be different. Everybody is driving a red car. Drive a green car. Be a peculiar people. Everybody's poor, be rich. Be a peculiar people. God said, "Don't desire to be rich."

In fact, He said in Proverbs, "Labour not to be rich. Cease from thine own wisdom." We should want to work hard, and become rich, and become a millionaire. Look, we're going through the seven steps, so we can get to step seven and become very wealthy, and build wealth.

No, God says, "Labour not to be rich." He says, "They that will be rich fall." He said, "Being broke is normal. Be a peculiar people." Look at Proverbs 6, this is a main part of his teaching in Proverbs 6. Of course He's in a completely other version.

As a major part of his teaching, He talks about how you need to really be zealous of getting out of debt. He says that the bible teaches that you should run away screaming in the other direction from debt. He says, "The bible teaches to flee debt." What the bible really taught us was to flee the love of money.

That's what it actually taught. It actually said to flee the desire to be wealthy. He teaches no. He says, "Be like a gazelle running from a cougar," and he shows a video of a gazelle running from a cougar. He said, "This is how you need to be about your debt.

This gazelle is running the cougar's line, and he is like, "You need to run away from that debt. You need to run away like a gazelle, and bla, bla, bla." He uses Proverbs 6 to teach that. You're not going to see the gazelle because the gazelle is in another version.

In this version, it's a roe in verse five. Let's read the verses. He says that this is about being in debt. Let's read it, and see if that's what it's really about. Proverbs 6:1, "My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger, thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth."

"Do this now, my son, and deliver thyself, when thou art come into the hand of thy friend, go, humble thyself, and make sure thy friend. Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids. Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler." That's the gazelle and the cougar verse in verse five according to his other version.

Let me say this, no mention is made in these verses of you being in debt. Even in these other versions, it's not that I could find. What this verse is saying when it says if you're surety for your friend or if you stricken hands with a stranger, that is not saying you are in debt.

I'm not saying being in debt is a good thing, my friend, but that is not what this passage is talking about. This passage when it says you are surety for your friend is talking about you co-signing on someone's else's loan, someone that you don't know or someone who's just a friend. It says, "You've stricken your hand with a stranger." It's when you're co-signing on their debt and on their loan.

That's what this verse is actually talking about. There is no mention here of saying you need to run away. You say, "Well, what does that matter?" Because you can't just take bible, and just make it say whatever you want. "I want this verse to be about getting out of debt, so I'm going to use this scripture to teach that."

No, you should always teach what the scripture is actually saying. He says, "Surety." That means you're in debt. No, it doesn't. That's not what that means. Go to Matthew 6, Matthew chapter number six. He says in Matthew 6, and this is another major part of Dave Ramsey's teaching.

He'll say this. He'll show the verse from Proverbs that says, "The borrower is servant to the lender." It says in Proverbs 22:7, "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." This is a big part of his teaching, "The borrower is servant to the lender." Of course he says the borrower is slave to the lender, because he's in another version.

A big difference between a slave and a servant by the way. Then he'll turn around and quote this, "No man can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

He won't quote the whole verse. He'll just quote that one part, "No man can serve two masters." Jesus said, "No man can serve two masters, and because the borrower is slave to the lender, you can't serve Jesus and be in debt." That's not going to work. That's his teaching.

Hold on a second. What about if we actually get the context of the statement "No man can serve two masters," why don't we back up to 19? We're in chapter six, right? Let's see is Matthew 6 in its entirety lines up with the teachings of Dave Ramsey, shall we? Look at verse number 19.

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Does that line up with the teachings of Dave Ramsey, who is telling you that your goal is to get out of debt, which I'm all for getting out of debt? Being in debt is not a wise use of your money, especially credit card debt and high-interest debt. Debt that does not have anything attached to it like a house or a car is the worst kind of debt, where it's just on a credit card or whatever.

Student load debt, all that stuff, I'm all for that, but he says right after you do that, now let’s put $20,000 in the bank. Then let's lay up 15% of your income, and invest it in stocks and mutual funds. Again, we're talking $7,000 a year for somebody who makes $40,000. If somebody made $100,000, then they're putting $15,000 away.

If somebody made $80,000, then they're ... This math is hurting my head today. Anyway, what I'm saying is he wants you to lay up a lot of wealth for the college fund, for the retirement fund, and the emergency fund. It's actually huge amounts of money, tens of thousands of dollars that you're laying up.

Is that what is being taught in this scripture, that he loves to quote from but he won't quote the whole passage? Then we get to verse 24, "No man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

"Therefore I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on is not the life more than life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air, for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns. Yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

"Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow. They toil not, neither do they spin. And yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?"

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? For after all these things does Dave Ramsey seek." I'm sorry, "For after all these things do the Gentiles seek, for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God."

In that program, is the kingdom of God point seven? Build wealth and ... It's not even 7A. It's 7B, because .7 is build wealth and give. 7B is where we get to the kingdom of God. "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you."

Verse 34, this is where the bible teaches you to have a 401K for your retirement. It's in Matthew 6:34. This is the scripture that teaches you to put away a college fund for your newborn baby. By the way, I would pay my kids not to go to ESU. I'd pay my kids not to go to college.

Anyway, "Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Is that compatible with Dave Ramsey's financial plan that's being taught in Baptist churches across America today? Is that what he's teaching, to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness?

"Take no thought saying what shall we eat or what shall we drink, wherewithal shall we be clothed? Take no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Is that what he is teaching when he is telling you to lay up 15% of your income for retirement?

You'll say, "Well, Pastor Anderson, we need to lay up money for retirement." I preached this sermon one time on money like biblical principles about money. A guy walked up to me after the service. Go to Luke 12. A guy walked up to me after the service, and said, "You forgot one thing. You need to lay up money for retirement."

It's not that I forgot that. It's just that I didn't teach that because it's not biblical, and I preach the bible. There's no place in the bible that says, "Lay up money for your retirement." That is not a biblical teaching. I know that when I preach this, it will rob people the wrong way. It might make people upset, but I am preaching the truth tonight.

I'm preaching the bible. I know that I'm right. I don't even have to wonder if it's right, because I just read Matthew 6. It just said that. Look at Luke 12:15. I'm going to explain to you God's retirement plan, because God does have a retirement plan. In fact, it is a three-part portfolio.

You have your assets diversified when you do God's retirement plan. The bible says the threefold cord is not quickly broken, so when you have three strings of retirement income, three ways to be taken care of in your old age, that is ... If one doesn't work out, you got other things to work out for you.

It says in Luke 12:15. Again, if you don't agree with anything that I preach tonight, that's OK. I still love you. You don't have to agree with my sermon tonight, but just listen to these bible verses though. Go home and read them. If you don't believe me, then at least believe the verses that I'm reading. If you think that my commentary on some of these is a little off, no problem.

These are bible verses that fly in the face of the teachings of Dave Ramsey and others that are teaching this type of financial advice. Look at Luke 12:15, "And he said unto them, take heed, and beware of covetousness." What is covetousness? Desiring that which you do not have, whether it's a house, a car, whatever.

"For a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of things which he possesseth. And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully. And he thought within himself, saying, what shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do, I will pull down my barns, and build greater, and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods."

This guy is laying up a lot of treasure. "And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years. Take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry." He's retiring. "But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee, then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

"And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ..." I lost my place here. "What ye shall eat, neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens for they neither sow nor reap, which neither have storehouse nor barn, and God feedeth them. How much more are ye better than the fowls?"

"And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? Consider the lilies how they grow. They toil not, they spin not, and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these."

"If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind."

"For all these things do the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

"Sell that ye have, and give alms. Provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." These teachings are very clear in the bible that God has promised to provide our needs.

God has promised to take care of us, and he tells us to take no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought of the things of itself, and the promises that if we seek first the kingdom of God, God will provide our needs.

I was watching some of this Dave Ramsey, and they had these testimonials of people coming on, talking about how they're doing the program, and how great it is. This one girl came on. She said, "I'm sitting down with my boyfriend. We're about to get married. We're trying to figure out where we want to be 60 years from now."

Is that compatible with what Jesus Christ taught in that passage that we read, when he says take no thought for the morrow? They're laying money now to live off of 60 years from now. Is that biblical? No it isn't.

You say, "What is God's retirement plan?" See, here is the thing. A lot of people, they're not going to like God's retirement plan, because God's retirement plan, the way that I see it. It consists of three people that are going to take care of me when I'm old.

Hopefully, my goal is just to work until I go to the grave. Right now, I'm working and earning the money to pay for 10 people right now. I am supporting 10 people right now. When I become old, I'm not going to have to support 10 people, because at that point, all my children would have gone out and will be living their own lives. I will then just be supporting two people.

Supporting two people is easier than supporting 10 people. In fact, it's five times easier. I'm supporting 10 people right now, so I have to work really hard. You say, "When you get older, you're not going to be able to work as hard," but I won't have to support as many people either.

Number one, my goal is to work until I go to the grave. I want to work till Jesus comes. I don't have a desire to just stop working and just play golf, and just fool around, and just relax. I want to work for the rest of my life. I want to preach. I want to do some productive work with my life going all the way to the grave.

Let's say I just become too old to work, and I get to the point where I can't. Obviously, some people are going to live to a point where they can't take care of themselves. They can't go to work. They can't support themselves. It's possible that I could get to that point. Isn't that possible? What? Is that where the 401K comes in? Is that where my retirement plan comes in?

I have a biblical retirement plan. Here is who I'm going to rely on to take care of me when I get old. Number one, my children. Go to 1 Timothy 5. Let's see what the bible says. I don't want to be a burden to my children. What does the bible say? What does thee bible teach? There is man's philosophy, and then there is the bible.

The bible says very clearly. You say, "How dare you [inaudible 00:40:55] children?" Look at 1 Timothy 5. It says verse three of 1 Timothy 5, "Honour widows that are widows indeed. But if any widow ..." Who's a widow? Her husband, the bread winner, has died. She needs to survive. "If any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents, for that is good and acceptable before God."

My retirement plan of my children taking care of me when I'm old is good and acceptable in the side of God. Do I have a good retirement plan? What does the bible say? It's good. It's acceptable. "That children and nephews will requite their parents." That is good.

Jump down to verse 16. "If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged, that it may relieve them that are widows indeed." The bible is commanding us to take care of our parents when they're old if they need to be taken care of, if they don't have money, if they don't have income.

Today in America, they have social security. Maybe that's not enough or whatever the case may be. The bible commands that if our parents are destitute, it's our job to relieve them. That is a legitimate retirement plan. I have diversified my portfolio because I've got Solomon, Isaac, John, Miriam, Rebecca, Ana, Steven, and I've got another 401K in the room right now that's going to grow up.

By the time I get to that age where I can't take care of myself, they are all going to have children most likely, God willing. I'm probably going to have 75 or 80 descendants by then. I've got eight kids now, and then they're all going to have kids. Then there's going to be so many ....

Even if just a few of them wanted to pitch in and help me out each month, I'll be fine. I don't have to worry about that. That's more secure than your mutual fund. All these children, and grandchildren, and great grandchildren are going to pay for me when I'm 90. If my grandma needed help, I'd be glad to get her a place to live, and pay, and cheap in, and whatever to take care of her.

That's if I can get to the point where I can't work, and that's just one of my three retirement plans. Number two, who would I expect to take care of me? God. God will take care of me, because if I spent my whole life serving God, he's going to take care of me when I'm old.

Then lastly, this, the church, because I've been a part of the local church and I've served the church. The church will take care of me when I'm old. They'll help me out when I'm old. Look, three things that can take care of me, my children, and if all 80 of them or whatever by the time I've grandchildren and great grandchildren.

You say, "Not everybody has that many children," but the average is eight. "That's not the average in America. The average persons in America have two kids." Well yeah when you're pumped full of drugs, you have two kids. When you're going to the Walgreen's and buying stuff to prevent you from having kids, when your name is Onan, you have two kids.

Those of you ho actually read the bible, Genesis 38, Onan, when your name is Onan, you have two kids. Are there people who only have one kid because that's all God gave them? Yes. Are there people who have no children because God does not bless them with children? Yes.

There are also people who have 13 and 14 children. Listen to me now. In societies where birth control is not practiced, the average is eight children. If everybody were not using birth control, they're going to have an average of eight kids. Some are going to have one or two. Some are going to have 13 or 14. Some are going to have zero. Some are going to have 15, but the average is eight.

The numbers I'm throwing out are legitimate numbers that are averaged. What about the guy who has zero kids or one kid? That's where serving God and serving the church comes in, because you can be taken care of by the local church or by the Lord providing other means to take care of you.

On average, the average person would have plenty of children to take care of you. Here is the thing. These are the three people that the world doesn't want to rely on. The world does not want to rely on God. The world does not want to rely on church, and the world does not want to rely on their children. You know why? Because the world doesn't want to serve God, and the world does not want to serve in the local church. The world does not want to have children.

Therefore because they're not doing it God's way, that's where they need to lay up huge amounts of money, and invest in the stocks and mutual funds and lay up treasure and whatever. What we ought to be teaching people is to have children. That's what we ought to be teaching people. We ought to be preaching the sermon called "Be Fruitful and Multiply."

We ought to be preaching the sermon that says, "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart. Lean not on thine own understanding. In all thine ways, acknowledge him." He said, "Direct thy path. Honour the Lord with thy substance and with the first fruits of all thine increase."

We ought to be teaching people to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you. And God will take care of you. He takes care of the grass. He takes care of the birds. He loves you more than them. If you do right by Him, He'll take care of you.

By the way, if you do right by the local church, the local church will care about you and take care of you, right? Our church has helped out a lot of people in need. We would love to help out people that are in need. I think that it's great for people to get in a church, get with God's people, serve the Lord.

Then when they do run into problems and have abide, you know who they can call on to help them? The church. People call me all the time, and ask me for money, that don't go to our church, just random people going down the phone book. [Inaudible 00:47:02] many of them that I helped, and how many our church helps.

I always just say the same thing, "Where did you go to church this Sunday?" "Hey man, can you give me some money? I need some money." Where did you go to church this Sunday? That's what you should do when bums come up to you and ask you for money, when people call you on the phone and ask you for money, when people are saying, "Hey man, I need some money."

I always just look at them, and I say, "Where did you go to church last Sunday?" "Oh." I say, "Well, as soon as you think of an answer, go to them, and ask them for help." I said, "Anybody who is in my church who has a legitimate need, and comes to me for help, I will help them." Anybody who comes to our church with a legitimate need, the church will help them.

If they have a legitimate need, we're ... Do you think our church is going to let you starve to death? Do you think our church is going to leave you out in the cold, naked on a cold 50-degree night in Phoenix? No, I'm just kidding. Coldest night of the year, 48 or ... No, I'm just kidding. I'm just saying.

We love our church people. We want to help people in the church. I'm not going to. I don't want you to. If I said, "Who has been helped out either by the church or by someone in the church financially or whatever in some way either with rides or finances or groceries or tools that you needed, or just whatever you needed?"

Almost every hand would go up that they got some help. Somewhere along the way, they got something that they needed from someone at church. My hand would go up that people have given me stuff to help me out. Look, we just went through a major crisis with my wife and the twin pregnancy. A lot of people helped me out with that, because I was in a bad financial situation with that, all those medical bills and having to travel to LA, and do all the surgery.

That was a bad situation, but people helped me out with that. I thank God for that. I thank those people for that. When we live our lives serving God and serving the church and serving our children, those are the three groups of people that come and help us when we need it.

God will help us. The church will help us, and our children will help us. If we do good unto our brothers and sisters and our parents, they'll help us too. See what I mean? It's about people helping us. Not just, "I just want to be totally independent, independently wealthy. I just want to have $50,000 laid up just in case. By the time I retire, I want to have a million."

That's what he teaches. He teaches you put up 15% for retirement so that you can be a millionaire when you retire. That is the goal so that you can just go around and just do whatever. A lot of what he's teaching is not even financially sound in my opinion. I don't claim to be a financial expert. I don't want to be a financial expert.

I want to go to the grave not being a financial expert, but I want to be a bible expert. I want to be a [inaudible 00:50:13] expert. I want to be a marriage expert. I want to be a child rearing expert, because these are the things that I care about. Money is what the streets of heaven are paid with.

Jesus cared so much about money that in His early church there with the 12 disciples, He had a treasurer. He picked the most important person for the job, Judas Iscariot. He put Judas Iscariot in charge of the money because he thought it was so important. It must not haven't been that important if He put Judas. He knew Judas was the devil, and He said, "You handle the money Judas."

What's he saying? Is not the big thing in life. It's not important. If you're in debt up to your eyeballs, if you can't pay your bills, if you're paying 25% interest on credit cards, you probably should make finances a priority in your life. You probably should out some basic principles of sanity of, "Hey, I need to cut my expenses. Hey, I need to pay off these bills. Hey, I need to do this."

You probably need to do something like that. If your finances are doing fine, you don't need to get on this program and become a millionaire. You don't need to lay up money for your kids to go be brainwashed at Satan U and Devil State. You don't need to lay up 15% of your income a year for retirement.

By the way, a lot of this stuff is not even financially sound. He says this, "Yeah, if you put money away for retirement, you'll get a 10% return on your money that you invest." On what planet? In what universe? Can anybody here just raise your hand if you know a little bit about finances, and just verify that that is unrealistic to think that you can get a 10% return on an investment.

He said, "When you retire, you can get an 8% return on your investment with very low risk." That's very low risk, 8%. That is a lie. That is not true. Brother Dave was an accountant for years. Do you think that that's realistic to expect low risk, just 10%?

He has all his chart showing you, "Man, if you start putting money away when you're 19, you're going to be a millionaire. You're going to get 10% of your ..." Jack Schaap, Pastor Jack Schaap of Hammond, Indiana, he did a big financial series. He taught the same thing, 10%, 10% return on your money, 10% by investing in mutual funds, 10% in the stock market, 10%, 10%, 10%.

By the way, Jack Schaap got up and said, "The bible talks more about money than the blood of Jesus Christ." That's an exact quote from Jack Schaap. He said, "The bible talks more about money than any subject in the bible." He said, "One out of five verses in the bible is about money." One out of five? Are you insane?

Let's see. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." That one was not about money. "And the earth was without form, and void." That was not about money. "Let there be light." That one is not about money. Let's go through any book in the bible you want. You name the book. One out of five verses ...

He said, "The bible talks more about money than it does the blood of Jesus Christ. The bible talks more about money than it does salvation. The bible talks more about money than it does heaven. The bible talks more about money than any other subject in the bible, money." Why? Because you're lying, because it doesn't talk about money more than any other subject in the bible.

You're a liar, that's why. That's why he's in prison right now for statutory rape for 10 years, the pervert. Why? Because when you love money like he did, when you get up and just teach people to amass, he taught all the same stuff that Dave Ramsey taught, same stuff.

Why does that surprise you that the guy who is all into money and he's into fancy clothes, and he's always wearing a fancy suit, and he drives fancy cars, and he lives in a fancy house, and tells you that the bible talks more about money than it does the blood of Jesus Christ? Why does it surprise you that he then is lusting after a teenage girl when he's in his 50's?

Because that's where the love of money takes you. That's what the bible said it would take you. Where did I deturn? What point of the sermon are we in here? Somebody help me out. Where did I be turn? Oh yeah, the 10% investment return. The only way, and that's what Schaap says, Ramsey says, it's all just a total smoking mirrors.

Listen to me now. If you go down to the bank, and you take a quarter of a million dollars ... Who thinks that's a lot of money to have just in cash? Go take a quarter of a million dollars down to the bank, and say, "I want to put this money in a CD account, where I can't even touch it for years. I just want to let this compound interest, and I can't even touch it."

I'm going to give you guys a quarter mill, CD account that I can't touch. They're not going to pay you 10% interest on that money. You're going to get about 3%, something like that. Go down there. I was at the bank, and they had a ... Maybe that's not the current rate right now, but I was at the bank one time, and they had a chart.

It said, "OK, if you invest this much, we'll give you a half percent. If you invest this much, we'll give you a 1.5%. If you invest a quarter mill, it's like 3%." The max that they'd give you is 4% or something. The only way to make 10% on is to make risky investments, high-risk, volatile stock market type of investments.

Here is the thing. If your name is Dave Ramsey, and you're an expert financial investor, that's all you do. That's all you talk about. That's what you do. You could probably move the stuff around, and have two phones up to your ear, and you're selling and buying and doing all this stuff. I'm sure that he probably gets 10% on his money, because he's a financial expert, because he's a guru.

To just say that you Joe church member can just, "You just drop your money off with some financial advisor." You might lose your money. You money may go down, or it might go up by 2% or 3%. This pie in the sky, you're going to be a multimillionaire stuff, isn't even necessarily financially sound. He also tells you, "Don't buy any gold or silver."

Buying gold and silver is stupid. That's what Dave Ramsey says. I don't think that's sound advice. This is just all paper and electronic money. Then 60 years from now, it will all be there for you and your boyfriend. I hope so, but maybe not. At least gold and silver is something you can sink your tooth into or even put it in your teeth to fill up all the gaps, whatever.

Anyway, I'm just saying. My point being, this stuff doesn't jive with the bible. Look, if you want to go out, if your finances are just messed up to high heaven, and you just are just like, "I need to figure something out. I need to go fix it." You go out and buy books about ... Maybe you even buy Dave Ramsey's book, or you buy whatever.

Whatever, you go out, and you can go and chew it. Chew the meat, and spit out the bone. Why in the world would this be taught in a church? Why would we play this video in a church when there is so much in it that's unbiblical, so much in it that's unscriptural, so many false versions, and the whole point of it, the whole goal of it is something that Jesus told us not to do, which is laying up treasure on the earth?

What part of not laying not up treasure upon this earth do you not understand? I don't understand. What bible are these people reading? What part of Luke 6:38 here? Let me find it. "Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that you mete withal it shall be measured to you again."

What part of, "Sell that you have, and give alms. Provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also?" I don't want my heart to be in some mutual fund account.

I don't want to open the Wall Street Journal every morning to see how my investments are doing. I just want to open the bible every morning, and see how my investments are doing. Where is this coming from as a scriptural teaching when it's not? I will say this. The bible says, "If any provide not for his own, especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

We should work hard, and provide for our families. We should not have a goal of living in poverty. I think that with the prayer that I read for you at the beginning of the service from Proverbs 30, which said, "Give me neither poverty nor riches." That's what I pray. I don't want to be poor, but I don't want to be rich.

Let me talk to the men here, the breadwinners. Do you know what our goal should be? To provide a modest life for our family. I don't want to live in poverty. I don't want my children to be dirty, and living in a cardboard box, and whatever. I don't want them to be eating junk food. I want my children to be taken care of. I want my wife to be taken care of. I want to live a modest life.

I don't want to drive a fancy car. I don't want to live in a fancy house. I don't want to wear fancy clothes. All of my clothes are purchased from the thrift store, 99% of them. My children's clothes are purchased from the thrift store. My wife's clothes are purchased mostly from the thrift store. We share a vehicle. We live in a modest house that was built in the 1950's.

Our children and my wife and I, we eat good food, and we're thankful to God for the healthy nutritious food that we eat. We're not going out and wining and dining all over town. We don't eat out that often as a family. The most often I eat out is usually when I'm just taking visitors from out of town to eat. Honestly, it's Chipotle. It's not that expensive, and it's a good meal.

The point is that I don't want to eat junk. I don't want to be wondering where my next meal is coming from, but I will say this. I'm happy with the life that I'm living. I do not have a retirement account. I'm not going to open a retirement account. I just want to work hard, and I want to make enough to support my family.

If I have extra money just burning a hole in my pocket after I've already provided for the 10 people that I'm providing for right now, all the surplus that I have left over after feeding 10 people and clothing 10 people, just give it to people that need it.

Just give it to the work of the Lord. Give it to the church. Give it to people that need it. Find people in church that have a need, and just give it to them without anybody even knowing about it.

What is life about? I believe that if you do that, then God will take care of you when your need comes, because you took care of others in their time, but you have to believe in God for that. You have to trust the Lord for that. There has to be faith involved for that. You can say, "Pastor Anderson, I don't agree with what you're preaching." Then go get the Dave Ramsey, and you can save up all this money, but what did Jesus Christ say?

You can sit there, and quote stuff from Proverbs, and take it out of context, but wait a minute. What did Jesus Christ teach in the New Testament? What did He say? That's what we ought to be living by. I believe the whole bible, cover to cover. I believe in the Old Testament, but where did we get our primary teachings on how to live our life? From the New Testament, we are in the New Testament right now.

We are post Jesus Christ dying on the cross and rising again, and so that's where we need to get out primary source of teaching. I believe in Proverbs. I use Proverbs every day in my life, but my primary teaching comes from Christ, and Jesus Christ's teaching is not compatible with the teaching of Dave Ramsey. Therefore, I want to just publicly go down on record that I'm against Dave Ramsey.

I think that these churches that are bringing in Dave Ramsey need to get rid of this garbage out of their church, quit bringing false bible versions in, get the love of money and covetousness and worldly philosophies about retirement out of the church, and get a biblical teaching.

Invest in people. Invest in the Lord. Invest in the church. Invest in the children, not invest in this corrupt Wall Street stock market, mutual fund banking system. That's where he wants all your money to go. I don't want it to go to that garbage. I don't want it to go to that den of inequity of the New York stock exchange.

Let's bow our heads and have a word of prayer. Father, thank you so much for your word and your promises, Lord. Thank you that you promise to take care of us, and that you will provide our needs, that you will feed us and clothe us.

Lord, I pray that no one in our church would be foolish or irresponsible with their money, Lord. I pray that you would give us wisdom from the bible. God, if there is anybody who needs help with their finances, Lord, help them to seek out either myself or someone else in the church that they feel understands anything, to get some tips and to get some teaching.

Lord, help us never to fall into this get rich, be a millionaire, save up for college, save up for retirement worldly junk. Help us to just go with the words of Jesus, Lord, and deliver our lives by those things, Lord. Just please help us to seek your kingdom first so that we know you'll take care of us. In Jesus's name, we pray. Amen.

Let's sing one more song before we go. Do you want to sing the retirement theme song "We'll work till Jesus comes?"

Speaker 2: Psalm 44, We'll work till Jesus comes, Psalm 44.

Pastor Anderson: That you will provide our needs, that you will feed us and clothe us. Lord, I pray than no one in our church would be foolish or irresponsible with their money, Lord. I pray that you would give us wisdom from the bible. God, if there's anybody who needs help with their finances, Lord, help them to seek out either myself or someone else in the church that they feel like understands anything, to get some tips and to get some teaching.

Lord, help us never to fall into this get rich, be a millionaire, save up for college, save up for retirement worldly junk. Help us to just go with the words of Jesus, Lord, and deliver our lives by those things, Lord. Just please help us to seek your kingdom first so that we know you'll take care of us. In Jesus's name, we pray. Amen.